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Back story - DH and I have been together for 16 years, 3 children together. He has 2 older daughters (28 and 24) and now 2 grand babies too. I have had an extremely difficult relationship with ESD and pretty much no relationship with YSD. When ESD was pregnant, we almost broke up our otherwise happy family because it broke my heart to think of him leaving us to play happy families with ESD, her partner and babies while the children and I are not wanted or welcome. Unfortunately for us, ESD loves her Dad and makes it very clear that he means the world to her and that she wants him to be a big part of their family etc.
Over the past few years, if we've been forced together at a family event or if we've bumped into ESD out and about, she would completely ignore us but would throw her arms around DH etc and at one event, about 18 months ago, she physically pushed me out of the way, discreetly, so no one else would see. After that, I would also completely ignore her if I saw her anywhere.
Due to her pregnancy and our marriage being a breaking point, DH messaged her to say that he would love to be a part of her family unit but that he comes as a package with myself and our children. She said she understood and would like to sort things out. After the babies were born, we invited ESD and her partner to our home with the babies. YSD also joined us. To my relief, she was friendly but not one of them made any effort to speak to our children. I presumed, with it being a first get together, that it would be brief but they stayed for hours! I ended up busying myself around the house and leaving them to it because I'd completely run out of small talk!
For my husbands birthday, he invited them out for a meal with us. Again, ESD was pleasant with me but neither her or her partner attempted to interact with our children. I get that it's awkward and it's not easy to interact with older children (8, 10 and 12) but it annoys me that when I was her age and she was a teenager, I had keep trying with her no matter how rude and dismissive she was to me. No matter how hurtful and humiliating it was! She then proceeded to give DH a framed photo of her children to put in our home. I get that adult children do give grandparents photos but neither me or our children want photos of a strangers children on our wall.
The children and I didn't see them again for 5/6 months... (DH had seen them once in that time when the children and I weren't around) There was a last minute family meal planned and he invited them to come. My anxiety went through the roof... 'would her and her partner be okay with me or will they be mad that we haven't initiated any meet ups for months?' 'Am I going to be able to cope seeing my husband and our children father parading these Grandchildren around his family members?' 'how do I interact with the babies, their not my Grandchildren...Am I supposed to look at them, play with them, say away from them!'...By the time I got there I wasn't speaking to my husband and I was completely in my own head panicking...
When we walked in, most family were sat down and the only free chair were at their end of the table. There was ESD and her family and also YSD and her partner who I've never met. I panicked and couldn't sit there. Waved 'hello' and stood awkwardly at the opposite end of the table and told my sister in law that I couldn't sit there with them. I think I made it very awkward and there was a bit of shuffling around to make sure I could sit further away. I didn't look at her or her babies thoughout the whole meal and I'm sure I made it awkward as hell for everyone. I'm angry with myself because any bit of progress we'd made on the previous 2 meet ups, I've now ruined. She actually looked like she was going to be friendly but I was anything but. I've always seen her as the villain but that fiasco was all my fault. I'm literally traumatised by how I've been treated in the past and I'm not proud of feeling this way but we're happy as our close knit family of 5. To see my husband holding these Grand Babies, who are completely separate from us, but who're a part of him, ESD, and his ex-wife! It hurts a lot and I honestly don't know where to look when I see him with them; I just want to run for the hills.
The only positive from the disastrous meal with that after ESD left, I spoke a little to YSD and she hugged me, along with everyone else, as she left. She's never been nasty like ESD, just extremely distant. ESD is always the centre of everything and even now, we wouldn't be able to have any relationship with YSD without ESD being involved.
Anyway, I just really needed to get everything off my chest to people that understand. As she was leaving ESD told her Auntie that the babies christening is coming up and that's something (whether I'm there or not) I've been absolutely dreading. I guess I won't be invited after my behaviour but my husband will go. I honestly don't know if I would even want to be there or be able to cope but the thought of him having photos taken with his ex-wife and him playing happy families with them while the kids and I are non-existent, fills me with dread. This is one of the reasons why I almost ended our marriage during ESDs pregnancy, because I knew I wouldn't be able to cope with all these family events he'll be a part of but the children and I will just have to watch him from the sidelines.
I'm not proud of my behaviour at all and I feel bad for my husband that I couldn't just 'be nice' and keep the peace. The resentment I feel for ESD runs so deep and makes me feel like an terrible person for feeling the way I do.
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I'm a bit confused.. why didn't your husband want to sit with his kids and grandkids that he hadn't seen in a while?
I do think you are overthinking a lot of this.. and it's like when you panic order when the waiter gets to you.. ordering something you actually don't like.. you were so in your head.. you know your "choice" was probably not great.
Just a couple of thoughts on this.
1. since there is a big difference in the ages of his kids and your younger ones.. I would not expect loads of interraction.. for their visits.. I might expect you have your kids there at the beginning.. where they say hello to their father's older kids.. then they can go off to do their thing.
2. Your instinct to go do YOUR thing after a while during the visit was good.. let him catch up in more depth with his kids.. you show some politeness and initial interest.. then after that.. excuse yourself to "take care of some thing.. ".. while they continue their INFREQUENT visits.
3. for the meal situation.. your role? say hello.. small talk.. say hello to the littles.. place your husband closer to them.. eat your meal... making an issue to not be able to sit near them.. you know that was a mistake.. your instincts were correct there.. I know it can be awkward.. but sometimes we just grin and bear it for the sake of our partners... if your own kids were there too.. you could have made a point to be "busy with them" too.. "oh just going to check on the kids".. be back.. when you needed a break.
I do think you may want to seek some help to figure out how you can move forward with her being occasionally in your life. It sounds like she is making effforts to be friendly to you.. and to bury the hatchet.. and at some point.. you may need to figure out how to get over some of the hurts that were in place that stemmed from a time when she was an immature child.. likely with a lot of pressure from her own mother etc.. and that since your husband does want to be in their lives.. that making the best of it.. is probably the only way it can work.. so you need to work on getting to that space in your head.. if you need a therapist to help.. that's fine.
and.. just because they are in your lives as friendly adult stepkids.. that doesn't mean they will have a sibling relationship with your youngers.. they may not be overly doting aunts.. they should say hello to your kids.. but they don't necessarily need to be attending sporting evetns and awards ceremonies.. there is a valid inbetween state.
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That's tough. My SS is 20yo, and no longer stays here overnight though he sees his dad a lot. SS's BM doesn't live too far, so he's able to keep in close touch with his dad, also by phone. But I want to continue to establish good boundaries because I'm worried about a future in which my tensions with SS could not only continue but multiply if and when he gets married and has a family. I already know what it's like to have him and his friends come here and gang up on me (even if the behavior is not overtly aggressive, it is very bad vibes). I could totally see how anxiety-provoking your situation is.
I totally disagree that it's your fault that the situation played out as it did. You have your contribution, I'm sure, just as your SDs and DH does, but it would be a huge mistake to trace all causes back to your actions in the moment. I can say that because I did exactly that until recently. What I didn't see before that I see now is that SS and DH made choices that contributed to the situation, but the only one suffering the consequences was me. Of course they don't feel anxious the way I do - they made choices that made their lives easier, and as long as I was afraid to cause trouble, they could be contented, and I would continue to assume all of the angst.
You depicted your husband as being someone who stands up for you and your kids, but is he doing that fully or just enough to alleviate his guilt? I'm asking because I was willing to accept the bones that dh threw my way, but I came to realize they were not nearly enough. In your story, I was struck by the fact that your dh planned a last minute family gathering together which included your ESD despite your history with her. Did he consider your feelings at all in his choices? During the fall, my SS made a last minute, unscheduled visit home from college. That weekend, my dh cleared out plans for the weekend to accommodate SS, including cooking his favorite meal with my help on that Saturday night, and then I didn't see dh at all the next day as he took SS out and then drove him back to college, again all unscheduled. I won't get into all that happened that weekend, but things came to a head, and since then DH has stopped forcing me to spend time with SS, and he has completely stopped making last minute plans with SS. Btw, therapy sessions were involved, and there is a lot of context I'm leaving out.
For a long time, I couldn't ask for what I needed or wanted due to evil SM tropes in my head and guilt. Like when SS came for that last minute visit in the fall, I went along because who am I to stand in the way of DH reuniting with his child after a month and a half of not seeing him?! I felt that I couldn't protect myself without being a bad guy. But I've put in the work to question these premises. Why do plans have to involve me helping? Why must spend time here versus another venue? etc. When I took a step back, I realized that SS was probably intentional about his plans in order to control the narrative. I think he enjoys watching DH force me to cook his favorite meal and to cast everything aside to accommodate him. That's just speculation which I've done too much of in blended family life, but the fact of the matter is, I don't have to do that as much now that I'm more assertive about what I want and need. I feel less anxious now that I have more of a say and DH genuinely considers me. He had to because I let him know very clearly that I would not stay in a situation where I was not genuinely being considered.
Often I feel my anxiety about the blended family life most at church where people sit still and reverently. I was relieved and happy to find that the last few Sundays, I had virtually no anxiety. Maybe still a little sore and mad about somethings, but the kind that hijacks your emotions, etc. was gone. I did nothing special, the minister didn't say anything unique to my situation. I was so astonished that I wondered, 'could it really be just the situation?' I have never been diagnosed with anxiety. I do have trauma in my childhood which is what DH focused on. He thought that my reactions stemmed solely from my baggage, and I also bought into that. I do think my baggage amplifies my reactions, but I don't think it was the cause of my anxiety. I've learned that sometimes it is the situation and others that affect you.
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No this was not your fault. You've been set up time and time again. All stepparents particularly stepmoms take on WAY too much of the responsibility while everyone else in the family holds her head down to drown. I hope someday you can realize that you have been swimming in a dark ocean of terrible behavior and everyone has watched without throwing you any sort of floation device or even a kind word of encouragement to survive. This is what abuse and neglect looks like- the victim of the abuse continues to feel and be blamed. The victim is conditioned to believe they ARE to blame. No one has earned your trust- that comes in time. Frankly I am not fully convinced they've shown enough behavior modification towards you and your kids to deserve any trust. I really hope you are able to see a different reality and be lighter on yourself. You did not ruin the evening, you simply protected yourself and after all you've been through it's understandable.
P.S.- I full out ignore my SKIDs at time espeically when they are acting terrible. One SKID fully ruined Xmas eve and xmas this year- he was flat out horrible. The next day? He tried to be all mister nicey face- I fully ignored him and guess what? I didn't ruin the holiday.. the rest of teh family picked up the dialogue I just refused to engaged with an adult who had chosen to purposefully ruin the holiday. Totally ok.
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ESMOD wrote:
I'm a bit confused.. why didn't your husband want to sit with his kids and grandkids that he hadn't seen in a while?
I do think you are overthinking a lot of this.. and it's like when you panic order when the waiter gets to you.. ordering something you actually don't like.. you were so in your head.. you know your "choice" was probably not great.
Just a couple of thoughts on this.
1. since there is a big difference in the ages of his kids and your younger ones.. I would not expect loads of interraction.. for their visits.. I might expect you have your kids there at the beginning.. where they say hello to their father's older kids.. then they can go off to do their thing.
2. Your instinct to go do YOUR thing after a while during the visit was good.. let him catch up in more depth with his kids.. you show some politeness and initial interest.. then after that.. excuse yourself to "take care of some thing.. ".. while they continue their INFREQUENT visits.
3. for the meal situation.. your role? say hello.. small talk.. say hello to the littles.. place your husband closer to them.. eat your meal... making an issue to not be able to sit near them.. you know that was a mistake.. your instincts were correct there.. I know it can be awkward.. but sometimes we just grin and bear it for the sake of our partners... if your own kids were there too.. you could have made a point to be "busy with them" too.. "oh just going to check on the kids".. be back.. when you needed a break.
I do think you may want to seek some help to figure out how you can move forward with her being occasionally in your life. It sounds like she is making effforts to be friendly to you.. and to bury the hatchet.. and at some point.. you may need to figure out how to get over some of the hurts that were in place that stemmed from a time when she was an immature child.. likely with a lot of pressure from her own mother etc.. and that since your husband does want to be in their lives.. that making the best of it.. is probably the only way it can work.. so you need to work on getting to that space in your head.. if you need a therapist to help.. that's fine.
and.. just because they are in your lives as friendly adult stepkids.. that doesn't mean they will have a sibling relationship with your youngers.. they may not be overly doting aunts.. they should say hello to your kids.. but they don't necessarily need to be attending sporting evetns and awards ceremonies.. there is a valid inbetween state.
Thanks for your reply...I'm sure my husband did want to sit with them but I didn't. I desperately wanted to sit with my 'safe people' in that situation and I didn't know how his older daughters or their partners were going to be with me. I just couldn't cope.
I definitely do overthink it all. I've spent years of my life feeling hurt, angry, resentful over this situation, so much that it's consumed me time and time again so much so that leaving my marriage felt like the only way to get it all to stop. I've tried counciling but the professionals I spoke to just don't understand the complexities of blended families and the emotional trauma of it all. Tbh, at the moment, I wouldn't be able to afford to see anyone privately anyway.
1. I know you said that you wouldn't expect much interaction due to the age gaps but they literally haven't spoken a word to them. I would have thought they'd had tried to make some kind of small talk with them but nothing at all, yet am I expected to coo over their babies or is it okay for me to completely ignore them as well. Selfishly, I wouldn't even want them to have close relationship with our children but I HAD to try so hard with them when they were young no matter how I was treated but they won't even attempt small talk with our children. I also feel like if I ignore her children like that or make zero effort to speak to them, I would be the bad guy. It's double standards.
2. I do feel like they overstayed their welcome on that first visit. The children and I felt awkward in our own home and then she gives framed photos for us to display here. She can't go from being so rude for so many years and then act like we're a fully blended family. For me, baby steps and gradual acceptance of each other would have been preferable.
3. You're absolutely right. I was wrong and I've undone all of the progress we've made because I couldn't hide my anxieties and just 'be nice'. I'm sure I'll regret my behaviour for many years to come as now ESD and her partner will go back to completely ignoring me or worse, she'll continue the sneaky, bully-like behaviour of the past.
Unfortunately, the bad behaviour isn't just from when she was a child. The pushing episode was only 18 months ago and blanking me, even when I've been polite and said 'hello'...She was in her twenties when she was behaving like that too. I carry a lot of trauma from how she's treated me in the past. I'm just upset that I've made everything worse for myself and for everyone again.
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Give yourself a pass...we all mess up when dealing with toxic behaviors for long period of times.
I've been in the game for 20 years...married 18. At year 12, I broke....ended up in long-term counseling. Got myself together. This is how I operate in StepHell today. About a year ago, we began some re-unification. On MY terms. So far, I interact with two of DHs kids. The others, I have no issues with them visiting DH here. I do not go to their homes. When they are in our home, I am respectful and a good host but once those "duties" are done, I excuse myself to my studio and let DH visit with his kids and grands.
There are no interactions between my kids and DHs kids. No love lost there. DH and I do not have children together. DHs grandchildren are his....I have no part in that world. Saves me a lot of money. LOL I see DHs kids as "acquaintances." I expect nothing from them except except respect and civility, same as I offer them. They no longer take up space in my head with this mindset. It took me a good while to get here....I always wanted unity, something I have with my former husband and his wife. But DHs kids were not receptive. So here we are and it works well for me. Just some ideas for you to ponder.
Wishing you the best.
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Tryingjusttrying, Thanks for your reply.... I remember the days when they used to have friends at our home. I'd walk in and call 'Hi!' and no one would even look up or respond. It was awful.
Yes, I do wonder if they're filled with anxiety at the thought of seeing me; I doubt it.
My husband did ask me if it was okay to invite them, my response was 'it's up to you'. I don't think I had enough time to prepare myself mentally and I wan't expecting to panic the way I did.
Same as you, I won't be preparing food or babysitting their kids or anything like that. We're too far down the line for that; just a cordial relationship would suffice, I'm just so mad at myself that we'd worked hard to get to that cordial place and I ruined it.
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ImperfectlyPerfect wrote:
Frankly I am not fully convinced they've shown enough behavior modification towards you and your kids to deserve any trust.
You're absolutely right. Thank you. I don't trust her at all. She's been sneaky mean in the past and even when she's being nice, I wonder if she's just being fake. I can't just wave a magic wand and make the memory of her behaviour disappear or the trauma that it's left.
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@daisymaes - "My husband did ask me if it was okay to invite them, my response was 'it's up to you'. I don't think I had enough time to prepare myself mentally and I wan't expecting to panic the way I did."
I just think that if you're panicking, is that all your fault which implies that you're the sole cause and the only one who can stop it? In my own journey with this, I'm learning that my anxiety, though it manifests internally, can have external causes that when addressed, make things better. I was treating my anxiety as some subjective, non-essential side issue, whereas SS's needs and demands were essential, non-negotiable facts. But I think that black and white mind-set of his needs versus mine is wrong, and it was SS who put that out there. If forced to choose, SS won every time since he was the child after all. But I've started to question that dichotomy. I want space for my experience and needs, not at the exclusion of everyone else's, but in addition to everyone else's. In the past, I was given no space at all due to DH's guilt and my own baggage that keeps me small and unobtrusive.
Like you, up until the recent past, I relented and went along if DH and/or SS wanted SS to come over. I just put aside my anxiety as a non-essential side issue to be ashamed of. I still had that reaction when my fully 20 yo SS gave us a surprise visit in October. But now that he's older, it's harder to accept the idea that whatever SS wants is divinely ordained, and I should be ashamed if I have any hard feelings about it.
I reacted very badly to the way in which DH expected me to go along and even be as excited as him to be reunited with SS. After having had some distance from it, my reaction was 'seriously? You're not even going to acknowledge that I might be a little hesitant to see SS' given that SS gave me such a hard time over the years. When I told DH later that he could have made plans that didn't involve me seeing and cooking for SS, DH was very, very angry, and I was upset and feeling guilty as usual. But I've stood my ground and he and I are more accepting of the notion that I am allowed to have my truth, and the truth is that I have resentment and anger over being treated unfairly over the years. I see a light at the end of the tunnel and a way beyond that, but at the moment, dh is giving me the breathing room to feel and process my grief over many years of being disrespected and neglected.
A few years back, on a doctor's visit, I was diagnosed with hypertension and high blood pressure. It was bad enough that the doctor told me that if it didn't come down on its own, he would have to prescribe medication. That was quite a surprise. I am very healthy - I eat very healthy and exercise 3-4 times a week. My whole family is like this, and yes, we're very annoying (even my dh gets annoyed and tries to ram junk food down my throat). I immediately thought that stress could be a factor and asked the doctor about it. He said that it could very well be. Coincidentally, I got a very clean bill of health on my last visit which occurred after months of SS being at college. That's enough evidence for me to make reducing my anxiety as a high priority. It's not just a side issue, it's a matter of my very physical health. DH gets this. When I pointed this out, he understood that yes, whether the cause is my internal reactions or the situation, I have a right to take care of my health, and that might mean limiting contact with SS.
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In these cases, I am a firm believer in reciprocity. Respond to ESD and YSD's tone and intent accordingly and keep you and your children at your DH's/their father's side always. Tolerate no separation from your DH at any event. Invited or not, go to the cristening, and everything else. That DH coddles his kidult failed family spawn is nauseating. He is the grandfather, not the God Parent so he should have zero active role in the christening other than being present. Again, be on DH's arm, and your joint kids on his other side. Tolerate zero bull-
from his failed family ill behaved supposedly adult children who at best are juvenile in behavior and ability. The ability to breed is a basic human function devoid of character and brain activity. Procreation is not some accomplishment of character unless those procreating are of character and quality raising their children accordingly. That ESD and YSD are breeders, does not give them any special status. You need to keep that reality front and center and make sure DH knows where his responsibilities and loyalties lie which with is bride and the minor children that you share. If the SKidult SDs can't behave, they should have to be the ones forced to the periphery at any and all gathers. IN fact, Never, ever, abdicate your place to the Skidults. Ever. For any reason.
If either of the SDs ever push you or your children, call them on it instantly, assertively, and publically and make sure that their father knows along with anyone and everyone else preset.
You have nothing to feel guilty about or bad about. Be confident, be radiant, and be firmly with your DH and your children. Period. Dot. Having a touch of PTSD regarding perpetrators of tormenting you is completely understandable.
Do not tolerate anything from them (the failed family Skidults or from your DH) that demotes you or your children. Ever. For any reason. Xs are in the past and if adult prior family children cannot grow TF up and be decent, that is where they belong as well. Even when they are someone's child, adults have to be held accountable for their behaviors by their own parent if necessary. Do not tolerate them demeaning you and/or your children or your places in DH's life.
IMHO of course.
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