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12/16/2025 9:30 am  #1


Interesting SIL goings on.

My bride spoke with her mom on Saturday.  It appears that SIL is heavily into being shunned by just about the entire IL clan at this point.  As a reminder, she informed her kids on the drive back home from her eldest;s HS graduation camping trip with the family.  SIL had manipulated the dates of that trip to exclude BIL1 and his family.  I surmise that was due to BIL1 and his wife being extremely verbal regarding SIL's plans to leave her DH for her GF.

MIL had previously agreed to allow SIL to live with her once the school year started and SIL went back to work as a SN student teacher's aid.   When school started MIL fabricated a fight and did not allow SIL to move in so SIL has to commute for about an hour each way to and from where she apparently lives with her GF.

Apparently SIL promised her youngest, our niece, that she would stay with her at STBXH's home 2-3 days per week.  That apparently collapsed when her STBXH jerked a knot in SIL's tail over spending the entire time she was supposed to be spending time with their DD on the phone with the GF.  It came to a head at our niece's 13th B-day party when SIL was on the phone most of the time and would leave to go outside the several times that she either called her GF or GF called SIL.  STBXH had enough and told her if she was not going to actually spend time with their DD that SIL would not be allowed to stay.  Apparently SIL has pretty much disappeared in the few weeks since that blow up.

MIL and her sister visited with their youngest sister's family recently.  That sister passed a number or years ago.  SIL's situation came up when the wife of one of MIL and he sisters nephews confronted MIL asking if she really wanted to exclude someone from the holidays.  MIL was adamant that yes, SIL's GF was not welcome at the family gathering that is to be held at MIL's house.  She did iterate that SIL is always welcome, but that MIL and her sister will not be tolerant of the GF who they consider to be manipulative with some unknown control over SIL or of GF's extended section 8 housing family.  There is a bunch of them living together. GF, GF's father, multiple GF children, and at least one GF GK.

BIL1's wife apparently has done significant FB stalking of SIL and GF lately.  In pics SIL is regularly standing behind and to the side of the GF family group.  

So far, SIL's choices have cost her a marriage, her marital home, her eldest child who wants nothing to do with her, regular access to her youngest child because her STBXH will not facilitate SIL not spending time with their DD and being her the phone with GF instead, and the respect of her own mother, aunt, both of her brother's and her sister.

MIL started to share as to why SIL has been absent lately but stopped mid comment.  

SIL facilitated getting a transfer out of the classroom she was the aid in.  In what sounds like the usual SIL sequence of events that starts the progression to the end of whatever job SIL has.  She does well until she decides she is smarter and knows more than the people she works with, that expands to her thinking that she knows more, is smarter, and more capable than her boss. She then files some complaint, gets moved, and eventually she no longer works there. There is never a clear reason or detail around what caused her departure. Eventually SIL starts with the usual, my boss was mean, they didn't like me, blah, blah, blah. 

I forecast the usual. This time will be be tragic. She will lose about the only chance she had for a retirement, her kids will use their medical insurance, she will have nowhere to go when GF kicks her out once there is no SIL paycheck.

MIL closed with a rant about how SIL's credit is so bad that she owns nothing. The cards, the house, the RV are all solely in STBXHs name because no lender would touch a loan that SIL has anything to do with.

My bride is apparently past being upset about her sister's situation and is into the irritation and so be it phase of her thoughts on her sister.  She is worried about her STXBIL, and the kids.  Our nephew is advancing in a great opportunity.  STBXBIL appears to be firming up in his progression through the demise of his marriage and family and is boxing his STBXW in on her behaviors regarding their children.  We are particularly worried about our niece though she is a hard read regarding her emotion and thoughts about it all.  STBXBIL indicates that our niece is an old soul and is not much bothered by any of it though she is not too happy about being a COD or about the rumors that are bouncing around her school about her mom.

It may not happen, but eventually MIL usually will spill the beans on whatever she zips her lip about.  Probably when DW is talking to her without me present.  MIL lives a rather bodice ripper romance novel like life perspective and SIL and her STBXH were an integral part of that with MIL's romanticizing them meeting in HS, SIL leaving to go to college far far away living with her sister, or stand it when she is away from her young love then BF, then baby daddy, then DH, now STBXH.  This new phase with SIL so crushes MIL's romance novel young love narrative regarding SIL's relationship with STBHX and their kids that MIL will struggle to accept and deal with her youngest's choices.

 

Last edited by Rags (12/16/2025 8:06 pm)


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12/16/2025 10:44 am  #2


Re: Interesting SIL goings on.

Is anybody suspicious SIL is doing drugs?  I remember when I was a teenager my cousin was writing letters to my Aunt that were just so off base, and I told my Aunt she was probably doing drugs.  My Aunt didn't believe me, turns out years later it came out she had been doing drugs because of being SAd.

 

12/16/2025 11:50 am  #3


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It feels like GF is controlling SIL to the Nth degree and and reminds me so much of psycho exh's controlling behavior that I physically shuddered. 😬

 

12/16/2025 8:19 pm  #4


Re: Interesting SIL goings on.

advice.only2 wrote:

Is anybody suspicious SIL is doing drugs?  I remember when I was a teenager my cousin was writing letters to my Aunt that were just so off base, and I told my Aunt she was probably doing drugs.  My Aunt didn't believe me, turns out years later it came out she had been doing drugs because of being SAd.

SIL was pre employment tested a few years ago when she went to work for the school district.  She was clean then or likely could not have gone to work with kids.  

I have no idea if she is partaking of substances now.  Though she has not looked happy in years. I have commented on it every time I have seen her for quite some time.

At best she appears to be present.  There is no spark to her at all.  She used be all about how spe-cial she was (said in a cloying baby voice). She was well into her 30s and still doing that kind of crap. Trying to sit in my FIL's lap while he was hooked up to his home dialysis equipment trying to get daaaaaaddddeeeeeee to harp on how spe-cial she is.    The current her is kinda sad. To the point that I miss the old annoying SIL.  

Though it would not surprise me if she were using.  They live in the epicenter of legalized products derived from the devil's lettuce.  A notable % of those who live there on the lower end of the socioeconomic scale are clearly baked with saucer plate sized pupils, a wafting odor of recently hitting a doobie, and the slow gait and speech patterns of being decidedly tuned up.  It is interesting how since legalization there has been a shift in the public voluntary segregation of those who use and those who apparently don't.  Or at least those who smoke and those who use edibles.
 


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12/16/2025 8:38 pm  #5


Re: Interesting SIL goings on.

Aniki-Moderator wrote:

It feels like GF is controlling SIL to the Nth degree and and reminds me so much of psycho exh's controlling behavior that I physically shuddered. 😬

Yes GF is definitely controlling SIL and has her on a very short leash.  Your comment got me reflecting on SIL history.  She has always fawned for attention wherever she can get it.  Interestingly she latched onto DW's BFFs after DW left SpermLand for university.  Followed them around like a lost puppy. for a number of years.  A few of DW's BFFs would pick SIL up for a girls night, or a shopping trip. Fairly regularly.  DW is 11yrs older than SIL.  When SIL joined us for a year of college studies then returned to SpermLand she immediately did the same thing with DW's friends.

BIL1's bovine bride leveraged that need by SIL to infiltrate the family while BIL1 was in the Army. That was the bovine bride's conduit to ultimately hook BIL1.  He had been engaged to a base bunny teen single mom of multiple kids while he served giving her POA while he was deployed on humanitarian missions to Nicaragua and Haiti. She cleaned him out.  The wife of one of his battle buddies called the commander's wife to get help. The Army ended up freezing BIL1's accounts and kicking the base bunny and her kids off base.  BIL1 was visiting us for a few weeks while on post deployment leave and flew home to visit with his parents.  He came back engaged to a girl from HS that he did not even remember.  He has pretty much looked shell shocked ever since.

SIL has always been very susceptible to control when given attention.  Your comment peaked a thought that my bride is extremely well put together and cares for herself.   It may be that GF is filling a big sister thing for SIL. Though I have no idea how old GF is.
 


 


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12/17/2025 11:55 pm  #6


Re: Interesting SIL goings on.

And.... SIL called and has been on the phone with my wife for about an hour.  Lots of coaching going from DW to SIL.  SIL is apparently in a major funk and convinced that she is a failure, etc..

She is asking about uncontested mutual divorce in the state of SpermLand.  She is also on the ragged edge of financial destitution as is her usual state of existence though with her departure from her marriage and marital home and moving in with her GF into a mutigenerational over crowded section 8 rental SIL is not feeling secure about much of anything. GF does not want any indication that SIL is contributing to her household income which is a huge risk of kicking GF et al off of all of their program income, support, housing, medical, etc.....   

Her intent remains to just leave and not take anything. However, there was a comment about taxes and how much STBXH's house is worth.  That makes me cringe. SIL is one that very well would make her X and her children homeless to be able to flip money at her GF.

I'm biting my tendency to be sharp tongued on this topic in conversation with my bride. No matter how much of a POS that my SIL is, she is still DW's baby sis so..... 

ETA:... and there is more.  STBXBIL has made a one time offer to SIL of 25% of his retirement IRA, and she gets her car but has to take the car loan and immediately transfer title.

It turns out that the house was purchased before they married and the mortgage and deed are entirely in STBXBIL's name only.  And... SIL's school loans were mostly taken out prior to their marriage though all of them are entirely in SIL's name.  That ~$100K+ is entirelyh on her.  So, she gets about $75K from the IRA though she will get hit with 10% early withdrawal penalties since she will immediately take her 25% as a distribution. GThere is no impact to STXBIL over the split or SIL taking her share immediately.  She has so much personal/secret debt that she has been hiding from her STBDH, her credit score is no higher than ZERO if it is that high, and she can't qualify for rental lease without a major deposit, first/last, etc.... 

Neither of them want to go the lawyer route due to the costs and it does appear that STBXBIL has a fairly clear view of his position and how much he can dictate terms.  I advised that they do a formal separation but not divorce until their DD-13 turns 18/finishes HS as SIL working for the school district gives them high  quality health insurance. A formal separation should sever their financial connection and keep the courts out of the financials until their DD reaches age of majority.  No need for a custody or parenting plan, etc... I also interjected that she has to do anything and everything possible to remain with the district for a total of 20+ years as that is her only shot at a retirement and medical benefits.  DW strongly advised that SIL get part time evening work with flex to full time during summers and school breaks and that SIL not leave the district of her own accord for any reason.

On a great note, our nephew, SIL's eldest, earned a 4.0 GPA for his first semester in his AS Diesel Technogy Junior College program and he did it earning $20/hr for his time in class, evening work hours, and weekend work hours.  He is on a full ride scholarshop for his ASDT program.  He plans to finish the ASDT and work for the equipment company that his scholarship and work study is through as he finishes his BS in Ag Ed.  Which is interestingly what our college bound niece wants to study.  It will be interesting to watch as the inter IL clan support channels align as BIL1's bovine bride invariably hypes up her DD and in the same breath back stabs and tears down her/our nephew.  An interesting juxtaposition is that our nephew is very low key, time to make the donuts, humble, and steady while our nieces, BIL1's #1 and #2 DDs, are very "Look at meeeeeeeee!" and hyper communicative on how special and superior they are.

SIL gave an update on BIL1's #2 DD who got her acceptance letter to her "dream school" and is waiting to hear from the major in State option, and another out of state option.  Dream Univ is out of state. I am extremely concerned about massive school debt for our niece and for BIL1 and his wife as they are highly likely to take out a pile of  Parent Plus loans to facilitate the "Dream" school dream.   I am advising JC for two years then transfer to the major in state school option since she can go for free for 2yrs at a JC/CC.  But, that opinion is wizzing on the "drreeeaaaaammmmsss" apparently.   My input is highly upsetting to our niece, BIL1, his bovine bride, SIL, and apparently some other IL clan members..  If anyone knows the path not to take when pursing college studies it is me. I was on the 11yr undergrad plan, 7 schools, 7 different majors, one BS degree though I had enough semesters hours of credit for another entire Bachelors when I graduated with the one I completed. I did successfully complete Grad school on my employer's dime.  That 24mo MBA took me 64mos. Not because of any other reason than I paced to use employer provided funds rather than ours or school loans.  DW is a mutant/alien implant in her family. She completed a dual major BS with honors in less than 5yrs, and an MBA with honors with no delays once she started Grad school. Her firs year was when and where me met.  We moved just after her first year of school ended and she delayed a year to qualify for in state tuition in our new state.    It stikes me as interesting that my bride will not give guidance and advice and is taking a cheer leading position with her college age nephew and niece.   I am proud of them both, but I also know both the pitfalls of navigating it all successfully and the pittfalls of not having a clear structured plan.  The go live the college experience and figure out your dreams path.... can be an extremely painful plan as it basically is no plan at all.  As the addage goes. Failing to plan, is planning to fail. I do not want that for the next generation of my IL clan.  That would destroy my bride if it happens. It already is happening with our eldest IL clan niece. BIL1's #1 DD who has her parents unfounded superiority complex and inability to recognize authority and that teachers/Profs/Adminsitrators hold your success in their hands.  BIL1's #2 DD has the unfounded superiority complex genetics as well, which is what scares the ever loving out of my for her and regarding her unfolding journey. Like her elder sister, she is far more than smart enough to do it, though she has zero demonstrated ability to make the quality of decisions necessary to be successful.  She chose to graduate a year early. Like her aunt (my SIL) and has wallowed through endless bad decisions ever since.

I struggle to be tolerant and supportive of people who will not engage their brain, insist on repeatedly making clearly poor decisions then lead their children to do the same, and can't get out of their own damned way.

After the call with SIL we discussed that call, nephew's unfolding triumphs, and our college bound niece's path forward. DW asked me what I thought about BIL1's #2 DD's "plans". So I gave my concerns and projections on outcome, likely not graduating, piling up huge debt, etc....  I got myself in trouble for "I can't believe you put that out into the universe!  I want her to succeed, accomplish her dreams, and have an outcome like mine!" I do too of course, but DW's question was not what I wanted for our STB college student niece. The question was what I thought about her plans and likely outcomes.    Learn Rags. Learn. Listen to what was meant, not what was said. A non commital grunt would have been a far better choice than answering the question asked or offering my input on any of this evenings topics in the Rags living room. But hey, I am a man, I man-splain, I observe, analyze, and solve problems.  Though with my recent elevated PSA levels, I may just get neutered and not have much longer deal with the impact of testosterone on my man-brain.  

smh

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